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« Reply #30 on: 13.08.15 , 16:08 »
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A little contribution to the popularization of railway travel in Ukraine, explained for people not living in the Ukrainian fantasy world with its only 2-3 IC trains per day and no option for change of trains in scheduels or while purchasing tickets. http://www.kyivpost.com/guide/travel/guide-to-summer-train-trips-in-ukraine-395595.html
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« Reply #31 on: 21.08.16 , 16:08 »
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BTW, the Kyiv - Izmail overnight is now a reality - although far to slow.

The goal for a hybrid motorwagon regional express Izmail - Odesa should be 3:25 en route and 7 pairs per day.
Combined with feeder buses from Vylkovo/Shevchenko/Kiliya/Reni/Bolhrad/Tatarbunary etc. such a service should be designed to win over passengers from the minibuses and generate more travel.
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« Reply #32 on: 21.08.16 , 19:08 »
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The link to Kyivpost guide you had shared seems dead now.
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« Reply #33 on: 21.08.16 , 22:08 »
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Yeah it's a stupid policy of closing old articles. This link should work but the article is now hidden behind a pay wall.
http://www.kyivpost.com/article/guide/travel/guide-to-summer-train-trips-in-ukraine-395595.html
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« Reply #34 on: 22.08.16 , 06:08 »
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Fantasy world indeed, but grimdark fantasy at best.
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« Reply #35 on: 25.09.16 , 15:09 »
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On the recent discussion about a Choroliska bypass to benefit Kropyvnytskyi bound expresses

I see the length of a new-to-be-constructed connecting railway curve link to avoid change of direction and the Choroliska station of around 4,000 meters, starting from the platform at Kushnerivka (from north).

Раз уж вы про улицу Чапаева, то, это не 500 метров, и поезд не автомобиль, для него нужна кривая, что бы безопасно повернуть, и если рассматривать ту сторону села, то кривая там будет не по краю села а дальше, и  будет она порядка 2х км.
Для линий хотя бы 3-й категории это кривая радиусом 2000-4000. при самом плохом раскладе, куче согласований, изискательных работ и т.п. минимум 800 метров. Так что в любом случае говорить о "всего 500 метров кинуть" абсолютно глупо. А если категорийность линии повысить хотя бы до 2-й то соответсвенно будут совсем другие цифры.
И это без учета переводных кривых для обустройства самих съездов.
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« Reply #36 on: 25.09.16 , 16:09 »
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On the recent discussion about a Choroliska bypass to benefit Kropyvnytskyi bound expresses

I see the length of a new-to-be-constructed connecting railway curve link to avoid change of direction and the Choroliska station of around 4,000 meters, starting from the platform at Kushnerivka (from north).

Раз уж вы про улицу Чапаева, то, это не 500 метров, и поезд не автомобиль, для него нужна кривая, что бы безопасно повернуть, и если рассматривать ту сторону села, то кривая там будет не по краю села а дальше, и  будет она порядка 2х км.
Для линий хотя бы 3-й категории это кривая радиусом 2000-4000. при самом плохом раскладе, куче согласований, изискательных работ и т.п. минимум 800 метров. Так что в любом случае говорить о "всего 500 метров кинуть" абсолютно глупо. А если категорийность линии повысить хотя бы до 2-й то соответсвенно будут совсем другие цифры.
И это без учета переводных кривых для обустройства самих съездов.
That's not length, but curve radius.
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« Reply #37 on: 26.09.16 , 22:09 »
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I wasn't trying to mix things up. I understand that the 2000-4000 meter reference in the quote was to the radius of the curve. To achieve a smooth curve build for future-development-standards with that minimum 2000 meter radius theoretically enabling 160-200 km/h you would IMHO need a new line of a 4 km length, as I have been trying to draw approximate here.
The need for a 4 km line is determined by the fact that the existing mainline from the north makes a turn to the east, prompting a new by pass line to exit the mainline north of that east turn. Otherwise the curving almost becomes a circle.
The length of the purple line is 4,000 meters.
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« Reply #38 on: 26.09.16 , 23:09 »
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Для скоростного движения 160-200 км/час вновь строящиеся кривые нужно принимать радиусом 3000-4000 метров.
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« Reply #39 on: 27.09.16 , 01:09 »
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The radius in the map seems to be around 2,900 meters. It is an example to give an idea about what lies ahead. Certainly more than some 500 meters og railway at the end of some villages road. But the 4 km is worth the effort. Because the line will see at least five expresses a day in due time.
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