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Andersen
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« on: 04.07.16 , 21:07 »
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There is a permanent deficit of (second class) tickets on the IC+ services between Kyiv and Kharkiv.
The deficit is worst in direction from Kharkiv in the morning and return from Kyiv in the evening. But even the third mid-day service often run with second class sold out.

When would those mid-day passenger ideally like to travel if they could decide? What is the opinion of the forum?

In other words - when should a fourth daily IC+ service ideally leave Kharkiv for Kyiv in the morning in order to satisfy the need of as many passengers as possible?
Around 8, 9, 10, 11 or 12?

And - when should a fourth IC+ train pair ideally return Kyiv - Kharkiv?
Around 13:30, 14:30, 15:30, 16:30, 17:30, 18:30 or 19:30?

Respectfully, Johannes
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« Reply #1 on: 04.07.16 , 22:07 »
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по графику не курсирующего Киев - Донецк (который ночевал в Донецке) было бы норм. Получилось бы 2 поезда утром на Киев с интервалом около 2 часов, и 2 поезда вечером из Киева с интервалом около 2 часов.
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« Reply #2 on: 06.07.16 , 14:07 »
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In other words - when should a fourth daily IC+ service ideally leave

What about: Пропозиції щодо графіку руху поїздів

Sincerely yours, ULF
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« Reply #3 on: 06.07.16 , 14:07 »
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That would be OK with me, but I can't move the subject.
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« Reply #4 on: 08.07.16 , 19:07 »
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I suggest the logical combination which features more-less proportional distribution of the load don't exist for 4 pairs. For 2 exists, for 3 - it's not very good, but exist. For 4 - probably doesn't.

For 5 and 6 pairs - I think such combinations exists and they are obvious.

In case of 5 pairs - I suggest the best result will give departures from Kyiv in 4, 4, 2 and 2 hours (for example 6:30, 10:30, 14:30, 16:30 and 18:30) and from Kharkiv in 2, 2, 4, 4 hours.

So in case if there is a chance to be heard by those on whom it depends - I propose to insist for increasing from 3 to 5 paris in one step without operating 4 pairs longer than it might be needed due to temporary technical limitations. The increase from 3 to 5 It's not so strong growth of capacity. From 3 to 5 paris - it's only 1,66 times more (for example from 2 to 3 pairs is insignificantly less, in 1,5 times, from 1 to 2 pairs - it's more strong relational grows - in 2 times).

Anyway - things like this are not possible before new season (December 2016)

Regarding period before December 2016 - I completely agree with what Utopist wrote, it's the only smart way to appear for 4th pair before new season come. But in this case there is no sense to expect it's "optimal" or "logical". It's just only possible way to be not idiotic basing on limitation of current season (but luckily the timetable in this case coincides with one of pairs in five-pair combination, so  result should be also not bad).
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« Reply #5 on: 08.07.16 , 19:07 »
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If there is only one free piece of rolling stock, then the optimal as I see it is two morning trains and two evening trains.
The question is the timing.
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« Reply #6 on: 08.07.16 , 20:07 »
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I think instead of the fourth train Kyiv-Kharkiv-Kyiv one can consider to start connection Lviv-Kyiv-Kharkiv. it looks like such connection can be done by more intense using of the trains operating Lviv-Kyiv. For example:
Lviv (6:00) - Kyiv (11:00) - Kharkiv (16:00)   //then the same rolling stock    Kharkiv (18:00)-Kyiv(22:30)   → depo
Kyiv(6:20)-Kharkiv(11:00) //   Kharkiv(13:00) - Kyiv(18:00) - Lviv (23:00)
Like that the train can be in depo Kyiv-Darnytsia every second day and will be with passangers ~15h/day.
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« Reply #7 on: 08.07.16 , 20:07 »
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If there is only one free piece of rolling stock, then the optimal as I see it is two morning trains and two evening trains.
I don't agree with such logic.

If there would be really not enough 160 km/h EMUs for Kyiv - Kharkiv - it's better to withdraw them from other directions, but not cut the plans for Kyiv - Kharkiv direction.
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I think instead of the fourth train Kyiv-Kharkiv-Kyiv one can consider to start connection Lviv-Kyiv-Kharkiv. it looks like such connection can be done by more intense using of the trains operating Lviv-Kyiv. For example:
Lviv (6:00) - Kyiv (11:00) - Kharkiv (16:00)   //then the same rolling stock    Kharkiv (18:00)-Kyiv(22:30)   → depo
Kyiv(6:20)-Kharkiv(11:00) //   Kharkiv(13:00) - Kyiv(18:00) - Lviv (23:00)
щодо "склеювання" по Києву деяких пар загалом згоден. Єдине зауваження - подібний фокус доречніше застосовувати в першу чергу на "середніх" і "антипікових" крайніх парах (що ймоврно будуть дещо недозавантажені відносно "пікових" - у випадку Харкова це найранковіша на Київ і найвечірніша назад), у той час як пікові пари можна і не задіювати у цьому склеюванні (бо на них попит достатній навіть без видовження маршрута).

Але буквально таким чином, як Ви пишете - не вийде. Там є потреба проводити певні роботи кожні 1900 (чи скільки там) кілометрів оббігу, при чому у Львові точно їх не проведуть, а чи проведуть у Харкові - не знаю.
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« Reply #9 on: 08.07.16 , 21:07 »
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Там є потреба проводити певні роботи кожні 1900 (чи скільки там) кілометрів оббігу, при чому у Львові точно їх не проведуть, а чи проведуть у Харкові - не знаю.
А можете уточнити які саме роботи потрібно проводити що 1900км? Бо якщо те, що ви написали правда, то зараз в Україні навіть теоретично немає швидкісного рухомого складу, що може виконувати рейс Львів-Харків. Львів-Харків - десь 1000км якщо обслуговування можливе тільки в Києві, то Київ-Львів-Харків-Київ виходить вже 2000.
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