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Andersen
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« on: 14.01.17 , 23:01 »
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The night/day service 149/749 doesn't serve its purpose.
Зрада! (время хода оставили старое :\ )
Івано-Франківськ Київ   749 (ІНТЕРСІТІ) з 18/01/2017 щоденно

Станція                   Час прибуття   Час вiдпр.
Івано-Франківськ                             09:00
Львів                        11:06                11:26
Київ-Пас.                  17:34
It is late, slow and too expensive.
It is a fiasco to return to 2010-11 in terms of journey time between Lviv and Kyiv (6:08) - at a much higher price.

Instead I propose an earlier morning schedule with a start in the mountains:
Vorokhta 5:XX - Frankivsk 7:00 - Lviv 8:32-8:38 - Kyiv 13:40.

Such a train service would be a 3-in-1:
- An early morning commuter Carpathians -> Frankivsk, Frankivsk -> Lviv.
- A tourist, family and arrivals on the overnight from Wroclaw/Krakow (7:15) friendly IC+ Lviv - Kyiv
- A direct morning IC+ from the Carpathians to Kyiv for the pri-carpathian business segment who prefer to sleep in their own bed.  

The return run could depart Kyiv anytime between 14:00 and 16:30. For instance:
Kyiv 14:00 - Lviv 19:02-19:10 - Frankivsk 20:40 - Vorokhta 22:XX (#702 could be speeded up by 30 minutes and depart later, say 19:40).

Such a return service would also be a 3-in-1:
- An alternative to the evening IC+ Kyiv - Lviv,
- A direct train to the mountains for those returning home or for those who would like to get there in one day, get accommodated and wake up breathing the fresh air of the Carpathians,
- An evening commuter train Lviv -> Frankivsk -> Carpathians.

Requirements:
- Selective rail head upgrades Vorokhta - Nadvirne - Frankivsk - Lviv (to shorten the Vorokhta - Nadvirne - Frankivsk time and to reach a Frankivsk - Lviv travel time of 1:30 including 3 short calls, compared to 1:40 non-stop today)
- Purchasement of a designated light 75-120 meter hybrid motor-wagon multi-class partly low-floor train (<700 kg per seat) with traction motors driven by electricity from overhead lines or generated by undercarriage mounted diesel engine(s) supplemented by supercaps and batteries.

Is such a project expensive, you say? Yes it cost money - just like the new convertibles do.
But such a new motor-wagon train is not only costly, it is also innovative. Both in terms of journey time, travel opportunities and comfort.
Can the same be said about the new convertibles?
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« Reply #1 on: 14.01.17 , 23:01 »
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9 часов сидя - с нетерпением жду этого поезда.
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« Reply #2 on: 15.01.17 , 00:01 »
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 Ефимов detected ))
Альтернатива: убрать трансформер до лучших времен с этого маршрута и за заменить удлиненным до Ворохты НЭ 149/150. Хотя бы на сезон, имхо.
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« Reply #3 on: 15.01.17 , 00:01 »
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Young man, please kindly read again :) 9 hours is exactly what I am arguing against.
My proposition is ~7,5 hours Tatariv/Yaremche - Kyiv.

And yes, the convertibles from the #149 would serve better as an afternoon service to get back to Kyiv for the overnight run.
That way the #149 could also be extended into the mountains, to Yaremche or Tatariv - Vorokhta.
Who is Ефимов?
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« Reply #4 on: 15.01.17 , 00:01 »
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The night/day service 149/749 doesn't serve its purpose.
Strictly saying, we can't be sure it does not yet. That train has been announced to start operating on Jan 17th. Let's wait and see whether it survives. Nightly seating train #775-776 from Kiev to Kharkiv appeared DOA, yet it has shown gradual growth of interest and modest profit.

Who is Ефимов?
I upvote your question.
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Emblaze, you miss the point. I am not talking about the occupancy rate, which will depend on many factors. It might become relatively high.
That will not necessarily equal customer satisfaction. For instance, if there are no alternatives.

The purpose of the #749 (rather than the degree of its coming commercial success) was to become a fast day train connecting Frankivsk and Kyiv, leaving in the morning so the passengers could arrive early afternoon and still have some of day at their disposal in Kyiv.

But
1. The train is not fast. With more than 6 hours we are back to pre-Hyundai days. And that with a brand new train, new wagons, which is absurd.
2. The train does not depart early enough to provide the passengers with day time in Kyiv.  

So the point is that the #749 is too slow and has a bad timing. Which is why I propose another service.
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Yep, for daytime travel from Frankivsk to Kyiv it seems slow. But, like I said in general discussion thread, sole alternative (Ivano-Frankivsk/Lviv-Kyiv-Moscow) consumes by far more daytime. So #749 outscores it by insurmountable lead in the daily slot for all that current slow and tepid timing. One can depart from Frankivsk in 9am vs 3am, which makes a real difference if you need to take a daytime travel. As simple as that. Of course, nightly trains from IF should have the upper hand still, and implementing your proposal would be better, but if it turns out unrealistic, one shouldn't cancel #749 just because of its slowness when compared to IC+ from other time slots. Even so #749 is better than none IC in this slot.
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« Reply #7 on: 15.01.17 , 13:01 »
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9 часов сидя - с нетерпением жду этого поезда.
Найшвидшим автобусним рейсом Ясіня-Київ ділянку Яремче-Київ можна подолати за 11:30 і попит достатній. Яремче-Київ через Чортків ходив за 16:30, і пасажирів не бракувало. Всі покірно сиділи і не стогнали.
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« Reply #8 on: 15.01.17 , 19:01 »
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Давайте тогда вообще уберем "лежачие поезда", сделаем Киев - Ужгород, Киев - Рахов, Львов - Харьков и тд. сидячими. А людям скажем, мол другие на автобусах ездят по 11 - 16 часов и вы в поездах наслаждайтесь удовольствием. А вообще сидя, если вам так нравится, можно ехать и в купейном вагоне и на постельке сэкономите.
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« Reply #9 on: 15.01.17 , 19:01 »
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Давайте говорит по сути, плз. Читайте еще раз. Мое предложение как раз идет вразрез сидячки в 9 часов. Речь идет о 7,5 часов.
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