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        Пропозиція: IC+ Vorokhta - Frankivsk - Львов - Киев

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Andersen
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« Reply #20 on: 16.01.17 , 14:01 »
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You didn't say where to get the money and how to fill the Train South of L'viv with people accepting expensive tickets. This problem has to be resolved all year round.
People commute from the mountains to Frankivsk and from Frankivsk to Lviv on a regular basis. There is a steady flow of cars and minibuses.
Some of these frequent travelers will opt for a mountain-rail-express that is faster, comfortable, spacious and more reliable. It might even take them to Kyiv in time for a lunch meeting.

Third class ticket pricing should be around the level of the minibuses and have a 3+3 seating, a bit like the wagon 4 of the Tarpans.
Second class ticket pricing should be 20% higher with a 2+3 seating and first class tickets should cost 50% more than second class and feature a 2+2 seating.

The new service should generate a WOW-effect, just like Przemysl-IC+ does.

The money for the rolling stock (and for some selective infrastructure upgrades, btw new tracks are already being laid on parts of the Rakhiv line) will have to come from a combination of UZ funds, western credits and government funds.
When UZ announces that it wants to purchase 6 diesel trains this year, it should buy hybrid trains instead. Internationally tendered. With the right specifications.
Considering that these trains might carry passengers for the next 40 years and determine the fate of the crucial public support for reforms in UZ.
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« Reply #21 on: 16.01.17 , 15:01 »
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Вы хотите сказать, что из Киева до Ворохты поезд доедет за 7.30?
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« Reply #22 on: 16.01.17 , 15:01 »
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9 часов сидя - с нетерпением жду этого поезда.
Найшвидшим автобусним рейсом Ясіня-Київ ділянку Яремче-Київ можна подолати за 11:30 і попит достатній. Яремче-Київ через Чортків ходив за 16:30, і пасажирів не бракувало. Всі покірно сиділи і не стогнали.
Давайте тогда вообще уберем "лежачие поезда", сделаем Киев - Ужгород, Киев - Рахов, Львов - Харьков и тд. сидячими. А людям скажем, мол другие на автобусах ездят по 11 - 16 часов и вы в поездах наслаждайтесь удовольствием. А вообще сидя, если вам так нравится, можно ехать и в купейном вагоне и на постельке сэкономите.
7:30 - це не 9:00. А про автобуси згадав лише тому, що донедавна там тільки автобуси і були... власне в цьому полягала затія з Київ-Рахів, аби можна було лежачи проїхатись за цим маршрутом. Зараз там ще один "лежень" 143/144. Проте, є категорія пасажирів, які б не проти посидіти 7:30, бо це однозначно швидше, ніж будь який "лежень", а тим паче - будь-який автобус. Це альтернатива до "лежнів". Якщо є попит, то чому б не надати пропозицію? До Перемишля 6:40 якось висиджують, то ще якихось 50 хв потерплять. На кожен товар - свій покупець.
Вы хотите сказать, что от Киева до Ворохты поезд доедет за 7.30?
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« Reply #23 on: 16.01.17 , 16:01 »
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When UZ announces that it wants to purchase 6 diesel trains this year, it should buy hybrid trains instead. Internationally tendered. With the right specifications.

The trainsets you want might take quite a couple of years to be developed.
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« Reply #24 on: 16.01.17 , 23:01 »
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We are talking adaptation of a concept which is already developed, for instance the B 82500 in a wide body version (3500 mm) and with other more minor changes, so the hope is that the rolling stock can be completed in 1-1,5 years.
If we want something that is adequate now and in 20 years, we might wait a bit for it. Is there any other way?
We need the WOW effect to attract travelers to the railway.

How long did we wait for the transformer wagons? Maybe only around half a year. And what did we get?
Are they truly innovative apart from the madresses? Aren't the bogies and suspension based on a design dating from the 1950ies?
Or do they feature air suspension? Has the sound insulation been improved? Are there showers installed at the end of the corridor?

Quick solutions tend to translate into more of the same old stuff. Like buying a new semyorka (Zhiguli).
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« Reply #25 on: 17.01.17 , 03:01 »
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We are talking adaptation of a concept which is already developed, for instance the B 82500 in a wide body version (3500 mm) and with other more minor changes, so the hope is that the rolling stock can be completed in 1-1,5 years.
If we want something that is adequate now and in 20 years, we might wait a bit for it. Is there any other way?
Yes, Post-WWII Japan and post-Zedong China had showed it's very much possible. Current Ukrainian state budget can't cope even with Troeshchina subway project though.
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