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Maxy
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« Reply #120 on: 30.06.17 , 20:06 »
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I'm not sure it's can be threaten as argument literally for K - Chelm via Rivne. Do you have any argument to threat to threat it as argument in favor of K - Chelm via Rivne more than an argument in favor K - Chelm via Sarny?
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« Reply #121 on: 01.07.17 , 04:07 »
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I assume that the route through Kiversti - Rivne - Zdolbuniv - Kryvyn - Shepetivka - Novohrad-Volinsky - Korosten is considerably faster than the route through Sarny. It might take minor selective upgrades, but the idea to go Kovel - Rivne - Kyiv in 5 hours at speeds up to 160 km/h, as outlined below.
I also assume that the route through Rivne has a greater passenger potential than the less populated Sarny route. Both for traffic from Poland to X-town in Ukraine and for traffic from X-town to Kyiv. Kindly correct me if i am wrong :)
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« Reply #122 on: 01.07.17 , 15:07 »
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I assume that the route through Kiversti - Rivne - Zdolbuniv - Kryvyn - Shepetivka - Novohrad-Volinsky - Korosten is considerably faster than the route through Sarny. It might take minor selective upgrades, but the idea to go Kovel - Rivne - Kyiv in 5 hours at speeds up to 160 km/h, as outlined below.

Get 25 kV to Kovel - Chelm. Get good solutions for conflicts with 3 kV Dorohusk - Chelm.

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« Reply #123 on: 01.07.17 , 16:07 »
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The 92 km "last mile" distance from Kovel to Chelm should be run on batteries. It eliminates the need for expensive electrification. Also no need for diesel engine depo maintenance facilities. Battery traction is environmental friendly (less Co2). First and foremost battery traction is cheaper than diesel trains in the long run due to the lower operational and maintenance costs.  
Bombardier offers a Talent 3 EMU with battery packs added.
It can run at least 100 km without charge, but it would be clever to put up a few meters of overhead wire in Yahodyn, where the train calls, to charge the batteries.  

For comparison - who has an idea of what is the current minimal en-route time for an 140 km/h max DMU Kovel - Sarny - Kyiv is?
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« Reply #124 on: 01.07.17 , 16:07 »
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The 92 km "last mile" distance from Kovel to Chelm should be run on batteries. It eliminates the need for expensive electrification. Also no need for diesel engine depo maintenance facilities. Battery traction is environmental friendly (less Co2). First and foremost battery traction is cheaper than diesel due to the lower operational and maintenance costs.  
Bombardier offers a Talent 3 EMU with battery packs added.
It can run at least 100 km without charge

So, it won't be really able to return to Ukraine...

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« Reply #125 on: 01.07.17 , 17:07 »
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It should be charged when standing still in Yahodyn, Dorohusk and Chelm. So yes, the trainset should be multi-voltage, able to run and charge on Polish strum.
And of course we need the train factories to offer 3500 mm wide body versions enabling 2+3 seating arrangements in the second class intercity-level comfort railcar.
But you can almost take any EMU trainset, even existing ones, add batteries and go.

The problem is that only slightly more than one (1!) percent of the cross border travelers since June 11 have made the journey by train.
The current slow connections and need to change trains several times is not attractive.
Hence the need for new solutions.
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« Reply #126 on: 01.07.17 , 20:07 »
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В прошлое воскресенье из Хелма в Ковель ехало 20 человек. График жутко растянутый. Польша проверила за 10 минут, Украина за 7 минут.
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« Reply #127 on: 02.07.17 , 22:07 »
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а в зворотньому напрямку теж недовго перевіряли?
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« Reply #128 on: 03.07.17 , 09:07 »
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Не знаю. Я им ехал только в одну сторону.
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« Reply #129 on: 05.07.17 , 06:07 »
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вчора купили квитки на цей потяг. якісь вони дуже дивні...  від руки написані прізвища...
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