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Author Topic: Киев - Вена: Беспересадочное сообщение от декабря 2017  (Read 52692 times)
Maxy
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« Reply #380 on: 08.06.18 , 18:06 »
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Є автомат OeBB у Буксі СГ, хоча я б сам його не знайшов-би, довелось питати. Він стоїть на дальній платформі, з котрої поїзди на Австрію ходять (власне автомат SNCF у Женеві за аналогічним принципом розташовано і його так само багато хто знайти не може)
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« Reply #381 on: 09.06.18 , 00:06 »
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Achtung - Abholung nur in Österreich! Das Ticket für diese Reise muss vorab an einem ÖBB-Ticketautomaten oder ÖBB Ticketschalter in Österreich ausgedruckt werden.


ну все одно не геть щоб ідеально. Швейцарці так нікуди не поїдуть, бо в Buchs (SG) напевно що нема австрійського автомату.

мені показує ціну в 114.50 Євро звідти до Києва. Це мінімальна ціна, чи може бути ще менша?


Это 2 разные билеты (Бухс - Вена 34 евро, Вена - Киев 80,5 евро), их можно все же отделно купить.  Бухс - Вена можно дома распечатать, а билет Вена - Киев можно получить в Вене перед отправлением.
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« Reply #382 on: 09.06.18 , 08:06 »
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so, if I understand correctly, now the cheapest one way ticket Wien-Kyiv will cost 80 eur (eur 60 the ticket, eur 20 triple sleeper accommodation), in any case, I mean: if bought at ticket counter in Ukraine or in Austria, as well online as well at ticket counter. before starting online booking by OBB, the price of cheapest ticket proposed in Austria was eur 132, if I am not wrong, available at ticket counter only, while if the same is bought in Ukraine it costs eur 80. the Budapest kiev costs more or less the same price, about eur 65 if bought in Ukraine or in hungary. (45 eur ticket and 20 eur triple accommodation)
the question is, why there is, or; better said, there were, these difference of price of 50 eur between selling in Ukraine and in Austria (not existing in relation hungary-ukraine or Poland-Ukraine where in both sides the price is more or less the same)? I suppose is related to the tax that Ukraine has to pay to Austria for coming across the Austrian territory with the sleeper car and in order to keep the price at level of eur 80 Ukraine should recover this amount spended for access to Austrian infrastructure. or there are other reasons? does some one know something about that? thankyou for explaining
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« Reply #383 on: 09.06.18 , 11:06 »
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The equivalence of prices in this case achieved not by straightforward way but by small workaround. When you buy ticket Kyiv - Wien or Wien - Kyiv in Ukraine - there is discount to "ticket" - 40% for UZ part (18.8 eur) and 50% for MAV (25,1 eur) and OeBB parts (8,8 eur).
"Ticket" is slightly more than paying for infrastructure, it's also for loco and part of payment for wagon (for basic seating car) while by reservation you pay the rest of price for car (if it's sleeper - you pay difference beteen sleeper and seat).
In Ukraine same discount apply for other routes Ukraine - Austria - for example Chop - Wien (or Wien - Chop) via Budapest purchased in Ukraine cost ~34 eur and valid not only for direct train, but also for travel with changes by any train. The stopovers, in Budapest for example, are allowed, ticket validity is long enough (15 days), more than enough to explore not only Budapest, but also whaever you want.

Please note, it's cheaper than Wien - Budapest before departure and that's illustrate why OeBB cannot agree to introduces sales ticket to any OeBB - UZ route via OeBB's channels of sale. It simply broke the logic of tariff to other countries.

Thing is OeBB agree to provide those 8.8 eur of discount to passengers from Ukraine and even to those passenger from West who really travel to Ukraine by direct car, but don't agree to make this tariff accessible in Austria for usage in any train for daytime travel with stopovers.

So the workaround which was used in this case to achieve the equality of prices for direct car - the Globalpreis tariff (ticket+reservation as single document, without possibility to combine with other tickets and reservations), which is available in all countries and is equal to price for ticket and price of reservation purchased in Ukraine but have other conditions of usage. It's refundable and available before departure (of course bed availability matters, but valid only on specific train, stopovers and partial refunfds are not possible.
It should be available at same price in all countries in ticket counters. With DB there is temporary issue because the outdated version of timetable in DB system on this route, DB "knows" about each train carrying this direct car but doesn't know about direct car, so DB cashiers usually refuse requests for Globalpreis tickets simply because they start from timetable search and don't see direct train.
While in other countries it should work.

So tickets+reservation Wien - Kyiv purchased outdiside Ukraine is not the same as ticket and reservation Wien - Kyiv from Ukraine despite contradiction of prices.
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« Reply #384 on: 09.06.18 , 12:06 »
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btw, can you ask in CFL ticket counter if they become able to issue such ticket?
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« Reply #385 on: 09.06.18 , 15:06 »
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А в міжнародній касі у Львові можна купити сам квиток Львів-Відень до плацкарти купленої завчасно в Німеччині/Австрії?
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« Reply #386 on: 09.06.18 , 16:06 »
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так.
А от сам квиток без плацкарти в Україні не продадуть, так само як і плацкарту без квитка. Можна купити або разом або докупити до купленого за кордоном окремого квитка і плацкарти.
Але можна щоб квиток і плацкарта були на різні відрізки - наприклад можна докупити квиток Львів - Відень до вже купленої за кордоном плацкарти Львів - Будапешт. Також такий набір можна купити і в Україні.

Гіпотетично можна купити в Україні несиметричний набір де асиметричнісь навпаки - коли плацкарта має довший маршрут. Наприклад квиток Львів - Загонь і плацкарту Львів - Будапешт - у цьому є сенс якщо ділянка Загонь - Будапешт покрита спецпропозицією ДБ (наприклад Загонь - Карлсуе), ЧД (наприклад Загонь - Брно) чи OeBB (наприклад Загонь - Боцен/Больцано)
Але такий набір з УЗшних касирів буде важче витрясти якщо немає оригінала паперового квитка що покриває ділянку, котра у плацкарти довша
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« Reply #387 on: 09.06.18 , 17:06 »
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The equivalence of prices in this case achieved not by straightforward way but by small workaround. When you buy ticket Kyiv - Wien or Wien - Kyiv in Ukraine - there is discount to "ticket" - 40% for UZ part (18.8 eur) and 50% for MAV (25,1 eur) and OeBB parts (8,8 eur).
"Ticket" is slightly more than paying for infrastructure, it's also for loco and part of payment for wagon (for basic seating car) while by reservation you pay the rest of price for car (if it's sleeper - you pay difference beteen sleeper and seat).
In Ukraine same discount apply for other routes Ukraine - Austria - for example Chop - Wien (or Wien - Chop) via Budapest purchased in Ukraine cost ~34 eur and valid not only for direct train, but also for travel with changes by any train. The stopovers, in Budapest for example, are allowed, ticket validity is long enough (15 days), more than enough to explore not only Budapest, but also whaever you want.

Please note, it's cheaper than Wien - Budapest before departure and that's illustrate why OeBB cannot agree to introduces sales ticket to any OeBB - UZ route via OeBB's channels of sale. It simply broke the logic of tariff to other countries.

Thing is OeBB agree to provide those 8.8 eur of discount to passengers from Ukraine and even to those passenger from West who really travel to Ukraine by direct car, but don't agree to make this tariff accessible in Austria for usage in any train for daytime travel with stopovers.

So the workaround which was used in this case to achieve the equality of prices for direct car - the Globalpreis tariff (ticket+reservation as single document, without possibility to combine with other tickets and reservations), which is available in all countries and is equal to price for ticket and price of reservation purchased in Ukraine but have other conditions of usage.

I am afraid ÖBB stopped DB from selling this fare.

Regards, ULF
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« Reply #388 on: 09.06.18 , 21:06 »
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А в міжнародній касі у Львові можна купити сам квиток Львів-Відень до плацкарти купленої завчасно в Німеччині/Австрії?
Якщо вірити касирці міжнародних кас в Києві, то ні. Хоча це може просто означати, що вона не пропарсила мій запит.
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« Reply #389 on: 10.06.18 , 00:06 »
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so, if I understand correctly, now the cheapest one way ticket Wien-Kyiv will cost 80 eur (eur 60 the ticket, eur 20 triple sleeper accommodation), in any case, I mean: if bought at ticket counter in Ukraine or in Austria, as well online as well at ticket counter. before starting online booking by OBB, the price of cheapest ticket proposed in Austria was eur 132, if I am not wrong, available at ticket counter only,

For sale via ÖBB ticket counter the discounted fares were available already since april 1st.



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