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Polonez
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« Reply #480 on: 04.01.19 , 02:01 »
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А внутри хлам хламом. Из окон сифонит, на унитазах нет крышек, проводники вообще не знают где и что в вагонах и не разбираются в билетах, никаких языков не знают. А ведь австрийцы год назад из за всех этих замечаний грозились не пускать к себе УЗшные вагоны
А 21 числа из Чопа уехали с опозданием, так из Захоня сидячки уехали без нас. До Пюшпёкладаня ехали в составе пригорода, там перецепили через 3 часа к поезду 144 Клуж - Вена. Вопрос так и остался открытым, доехали ли вагоны до Вены, поскольку не успели бы обернуться. Возможно только до Будапешта доехали.


Только до Будапешта доехали.
Обратно там к 147ому поезду прицеплали вагоны, пассажиры ехали Вена - Будапешт в сидячном вагоне (конечно билеты для спалного вагона действуют и в сидячном вагоне в таком случае).

Платят ли компенсацию пассажирам?

С уважением, Ульф

Из-за отсуствия спального вагона на участке Будапешт - Вена - Будапешт скорее всего нет.
Плацкарта в спальном вагоне от/до Вены только на копейки дороже чем от/до Будапешта, смотрите в http://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/z1834-12

Из-за опоздания (получается 6 часов) в сторону Вены соглсано регулирования ЕС пассажиры смогли бы получить компенсацию, но я не знаю относится ли этие регулироваия и к сообщением Украина - ЕС.
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« Reply #481 on: 06.01.19 , 14:01 »
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Только до Будапешта доехали.
Обратно там к 147ому поезду прицеплали вагоны, пассажиры ехали Вена - Будапешт в сидячном вагоне (конечно билеты для спалного вагона действуют и в сидячном вагоне в таком случае).

Платят ли компенсацию пассажирам?

С уважением, Ульф

Из-за отсуствия спального вагона на участке Будапешт - Вена - Будапешт скорее всего нет.
Плацкарта в спальном вагоне от/до Вены только на копейки дороже чем от/до Будапешта, смотрите в http://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/z1834-12

Из-за опоздания (получается 6 часов) в сторону Вены соглсано регулирования ЕС пассажиры смогли бы получить компенсацию, но я не знаю относится ли этие регулироваия и к сообщением Украина - ЕС.

Нет, не относится. По крайней мере, пока Украина, в рамках соглашения об ассоциация с ЕС, не имплементирует Регламент (ЕC) №1370/2007. Согласно обязательствам, крайний строк – 1 ноября 2022 года (см. http://forum.railwayclub.info/index.php?topic=124619.msg508583#msg508583)

А до тех пор:
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The calculation of the period of delay shall not take into account any delay that the railway undertaking can demonstrate as having occurred outside the territories in which the Treaty establishing the European Community is applied.
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« Reply #482 on: 10.01.19 , 17:01 »
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the delay of sleeper Kiev -Wien 21st December was because it had to wait for "european"wheels, carried by car Wien-Kiev, which arrived to Chop too late, or other reason? In Chop there is only one hour between arriving of Wien-Kiev and departure of Kiev-Wien. and i imagine that jack up car and change wheels together with custom controls are not so quick.
Does this delay happen often?
and ukrainians trains from Chop to Lviv (the Ujhorod-lviv) and Kiev (the Ivano frankivsk-Lviv-Kyiv) wait for car Wien-Kiev, if it is late?
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« Reply #483 on: 10.01.19 , 17:01 »
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which kind of control do they do at the Hungarian-Ukrainien border (zahony and Chop)? any forbidden things?
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« Reply #484 on: 11.01.19 , 00:01 »
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the delay of sleeper Kiev -Wien 21st December was because it had to wait for "european"wheels, carried by car Wien-Kiev, which arrived to Chop too late, or other reason?
Probably no.
More probable reason - it could wait for 1435 mm gauge diesel loco (which normally also arrive with same train Zahony - Chop). Why MAV didn't send loco alone without cars just to take UZ car in time is a good question. Distance is insignificant, sending loco alone shouldn't be expensive.
Waiting for bogies cannot be a reason because each car have its own bogies of both gauges, they are marked and each car uses only its "native" bogies, the unused set of bogies of each car is stored at place of re-gauging. That's the only normal scenario. Usage of bodges belonging to other car is the exceptional case, not practiced on regular basis. It's allowed only on temporary base in case of sudden malfunction of "native" bogies.
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and ukrainians trains from Chop to Lviv (the Ujhorod-lviv) and Kiev (the Ivano frankivsk-Lviv-Kyiv) wait for car Wien-Kiev, if it is late?
Uzhhorod - Lviv definitely always wait, because the only sense of existence of this train is carrying Wien - Kyiv car. The carrying of domestic passengers in cars Lviv - Uzhhrod is a secondary mission for this train and is performed purely as a side effect of the need to carry the car Wien - Kyiv.
With leg Lviv - Kyiv in case of significant late of Wien - Kyiv car all is worse. Postpone of departure of IF - Kyiv will cause a lot of issues on it way for other trains and for this train too. There is intentionally 1h12min reserve in Lviv which helps to avoid the need to postpone the departure from Lviv. I have no idea what UZ will decide if cars Wien - Kyiv late to Lviv more than for this reserve time.
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« Reply #485 on: 11.01.19 , 13:01 »
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Uzhhorod - Lviv definitely always wait, because the only sense of existence of this train is carrying Wien - Kyiv car. The carrying of domestic passengers in cars Lviv - Uzhhrod is a secondary mission for this train and is performed purely as a side effect of the need to carry the car Wien - Kyiv.

But still, it won't wait for half a day/night...

Regards, ULF
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« Reply #486 on: 11.01.19 , 20:01 »
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the delay of sleeper Kiev -Wien 21st December was because it had to wait for "european"wheels, carried by car Wien-Kiev, which arrived to Chop too late, or other reason?
Probably no.
More probable reason - it could wait for 1435 mm gauge diesel loco (which normally also arrive with same train Zahony - Chop). Why MAV didn't send loco alone without cars just to take UZ car in time is a good question. Distance is insignificant, sending loco alone shouldn't be expensive.


A delay of the train 32519 Chop - Zahony can occur if train 32510 arrives late from Zahony (which can be itself caused by a huge delay of train 147), because the locomotive and the seating car of that train are used for 32519.
32510 might leave Zahony without sleeping car Wien - Kiev (if 147 arrives late), which can be conveyed by 32530 then, but this arrives Chop only at 05.00...

Anyway, such huge delays, which cause that 140 doesn't wait for the sleeping car, happen seldom. Sometimes I've seen 147 arriving at Zahony 50minutes late (via http://vonatinfo.mav-start.hu/) and the sleeping car from Kyiv reached Vienna with 140 the next day...
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