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« Reply #30 on: 21.09.17 , 18:09 »
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in direction Ukraine - Poland all is easier. Smaller window for change (may be not 7 min, but 15 min) in this direction is more acceptable, than in reverse direction, because:
-the  quantity of trains and the frequency of trains is bigger. Even if connection is broken - passengers going by next train late for not so long time
-passenger traffic on West of Przemysl is distributed abit in different directions (despite most significant part of passengers continue in direction of Krakow, but smaller part - continue to North-West instead of West, part - don't use domestic train in Poland at all and go to buses). I.e. it's easier to find places in next rains in case if holding train was not possible
-PKP can afford herself not to achieve such a high level of occupancy as UZ need (again, it makes easier to find the places in trains)
-open reservation tickets in Poland at last exist
-"Ersatzug" Przemysl - Krakow - is something, which is at last possible. While no such possibility for Przemysl - Kyiv leg.
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« Reply #31 on: 21.09.17 , 23:09 »
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I agree to all the objective factors you list. The funny thing was that he was flexible on somebody else's account, on PKP's. The discussion was about the connection from 705 at 12:37.
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« Reply #32 on: 22.09.17 , 16:09 »
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ZSSK опубликовала график 2017/2018:

http://www.slovakrail.sk/sk/grafikon/tratove-cestovne-poriadky/navrh-gvd-2017-2018.html

Будет вагон Киев - Кошице:

Чоп 11.35 - Чиерна н.Т. 11.39/12.05 - Кошице 13.54
Кошице 15.10 - Чиерна н.Т 16.52/17.07 - Чоп 18.48

В Кошице возможна пересадка до Прага (на Пендолино) и Братислави (на скорый):

Кошице 14.59 - Прага 22.20
Прага 7.10 - Кошице 14.27

Кошице 14.07 - Братислава 19.57
Братислава 8.03 - Кошице 13.53

Остается вопрос в составе какого поезда вагон будеть ходит Киев - Чоп - Киев.

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« Reply #33 on: 22.09.17 , 17:09 »
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Я уже писал - полагаю что возить его будет ночной экспресс 129/130. Его обещали как-раз со следующего сезона ежедневным сделать.
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Я уже писал - полагаю что возить его будет ночной экспресс 129/130. Его обещали как-раз со следующего сезона ежедневным сделать.

Это значить что будеть заходить в Чоп. Можно тоже сделать отправление из Ужгорода на полтора часа раньше. А оборот вагона РИЦ тогда можно сделат Киев - Вена - Киев - Кошице - Киев.
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« Reply #35 on: 24.09.17 , 18:09 »
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Sure the amount of stops have a certain impact. I think the line wasn't beaten up yet ten years ago. So 3:25 was a rather normal time in those days. I don't think we should overestimate the impact of the number of stops. The Przemysl - Krakow line is only 10 percent longer than Kyiv - Vinnitsa, at 244 km. More than half of the line will soon be cleared for 160 km/h (basically Krakow Plasow - Rzesow), while most of the rest will be cleared for 120 km/h. A theoretical driving time without any stops of 2 hours should be within reach. Add ~10 stops which on average slow the train by 3 minutes each and we get the 2:30 which is PKP's goal. It might be slightly longer, say ~2:40 for IC trains, especially if they will be restricted to 150 km/h, compared to the fastest EIP which also will have fewer stops.
The EIP are of less interest to passengers traveling from/to Ukraine because they terminate at Rzesow.
As of December the Krakow - Przemysl travel time is planned to be in the 2:50 - 3:10 range.
I understand that upgrading projects for the remaining "bad legs" still are forthcoming. That concern parts around Rzesow and the line through the urban area in Krakow. Not to forget the lines around Przemysl, including the broad gauge Przemysl - Medyka line.
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« Reply #36 on: 21.11.17 , 13:11 »
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http://rozklad-pkp.pl/pl/news/show/codziennie-17-poci-g-w-wi-cej-pkp-intercity-prezentuje-rozk-ad-jazdy-na-sezon-2017-2018

Codziennie 17 pociągów więcej – PKP Intercity prezentuje rozkład jazdy na sezon 2017/2018

Nowe i powracające połączenia
W rozkładzie na sezon 2017/2018 do dyspozycji pasażerów będą nowe połączenia ekonomiczne. Zyskają m.in. mieszkańcy Pomorza i Podkarpacia. PKP Intercity uruchomi pociąg TLK Małopolska relacji Przemyśl – Gdynia, kursujący m.in. przez Kraków i Warszawę. Nowością będzie także skład TLK Biebrza, który pojedzie z Trójmiasta do Rzeszowa. Pociąg po drodze zatrzyma się m.in. w Giżycku, Olsztynie, Białymstoku, Warszawie i Krakowie. Po 13 latach wrócą pociągi do Hrubieszowa, a po rocznej przerwie do Sandomierza. Skład IC Hetman pojedzie z Hrubieszowa do Jeleniej Góry przez Rzeszów i Wrocław, natomiast TLK Połoniny z Przemyśla do Warszawy, zatrzymując się m.in. na stacjach w Leżajsku, Sandomierzu i Radomiu. Ponadto w nowym rozkładzie pojawią się dodatkowe połączenia z Jeleniej Góry do Szczecina (IC Barnim) oraz Bydgoszczy (TLK Halny).

Międzynarodowe nowości
W rozkładzie jazdy 2017/2018 PKP Intercity uruchomi nowe międzynarodowe połączenia. Wśród nowości jest skład relacji Katowice – Wiedeń, kursujący przez Ostrawę, który, dzięki dogodnym skomunikowaniom, zapewni podróżnym przesiadki na pociągi do Pragi i Budapesztu. Dodatkowo podróżujący w kierunku Ukrainy zyskają skład Odessa Express relacji Przemyśl – Odessa, kursujący przez Lwów oraz dodatkową parę składów relacji Chełm – Kowel. Oba pociągi są uruchomiane przez Koleje Ukraińskie w porozumieniu z PKP Intercity. Spółka zapewni również dogodne przesiadki dla pociągów krajowych – z Przemyśla w kierunku Krakowa, Warszawy i Wrocławia, natomiast z Chełma do Lublina i stolicy. Ponadto przewoźnik uruchomi nowy, dzienny pociąg relacji Warszawa – Brześć (IC Skaryna) z dogodną przesiadką na skład kursujący do Mińska. Od grudnia zmieni się również trasa pociągu IC Chopin (relacji Warszawa-Wiedeń/Budapeszt/Praga). Skład pojedzie przez Kraków.
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« Reply #37 on: 29.01.18 , 19:01 »
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Непогана підбірка змін, які відбулись в розкладах 2017/2018. Там звісно не все є, але достатньо багато. Не знаю, чи переклад має сенс

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Good news:
Austria - Czech Republic: RegioJet has introduced 4 daily train pairs between Vienna and Prague, competing with the 2-hourly RailJet (yes, confusing, isn't it?) trains provided by incumbent operators OBB and CD.
Austria - Germany: Vienna - Nuremberg (- Frankfurt/Hamburg) trains are accelerated by up to 25 mins thanks to fewer stops and the reactivation of tilting equipment on the ICE trains used on the route.
Austria - Italy: the direct service between Vienna and Venice is doubled from one to two daily train pairs, albeit with less comfortable RailJet rolling stock replacing the fine compartment coaches of the previous EuroCity trains.
Austria - Poland: one pair of Vienna - Bohumín EuroCity trains is extended to/from Katowice.
Austria - Slovakia: one regional train pair between Vienna and Bratislava, and one IC train pair between Bratislava and Košice via Poprad Tatry will be combined, creating direct daytime services between Vienna and Košice for the first time in many years. The wonders of interoperable RIC rolling stock!
Austria - Ukraine: a new direct service with newly-built UZD sleeping cars operates between Vienna, Lviv and Kiev.
Czech Republic - Germany:
- services on the Munich-Prague route increase from 4 trains per day to 7, thus almost doubling the train service to 2-hourly. Unfortunately this appears to come at the cost of the loss of the bistro cars that used to run in two train pairs per day.
- a new direct service of two train pairs on weekends only operates between Karlovy Vary and Zwickau via Klingenthal (all other connections via this route require a change of train in Kraslice or Sokolov).
Czech Republic - Poland:
- the seasonal direct EuroCity train pair between Prague and Kraków that was introduced at the 2016/17 timetable change now runs all year round, presumably owing to strong demand (we had long suspected this would be a success) and possibly also to preempt the introduction of a rival service by Leo Express.
- one pair of Vienna - Bohumin EuroCity trains is extended to/from Katowice.
Czech Republic - Slovakia:
- RegioJet increases its Prague - Brno - Bratislava service from two to three train pairs per day.
- RegioJet extends its overnight Prague - Košice train pair to/from Humenné.
France - Spain: the night train Paris – Cerbère - Port-Bou was partially reprieved in summer 2017 thanks to regional financing; in 2018 it will run at weekends all year and daily during school holidays.
Germany - Italy: a new direct Frankfurt - Milan EuroCity Express train pair via Basel operates daily with Swiss tilting rolling stock. This also means the restoration of DB SparPreis through ticketing between Germany and Italy via Switzerland, albeit only for the direct trains.
Germany - Netherlands: hourly regional services between Bielefeld and Bad Bentheim are extended to/from Hengelo from 14 January 2018 (postponed from the mid-December timetable change in 2017 thanks to rolling stock authorisation problems), restoring regional services to the cross-border section for the first time since December 2013.
Germany - Switzerland: the NightJet overnight service between Hamburg and Zurich via Berlin is split into two separate portions north/east of Hillesheim in Germany,leading to much more attractive arrival and departure times in Berlin and allowing Hannover, Magdeburg and Potsdam to be served en route.
Hungary - Slovakia: the line between Rajka and Bratislava-Petržalka is reopened to passenger traffic with the re-introduction of 5 train pairs, of which four start/end in Hegyeshalom.
Italy - Switzerland:
- one daily pair of EuroCity services between Milan and Zürich is extended to start/end in Venice, replacing the weekend-only service introduced in June 2017.
- a new half-hourly regional route between Varesi and Mendrisio began on 7 January 2018, with extensions to/from Como (hourly route S40) and from June 2018 to/from Milan Malpensa Airport (S50 every 2 hours).
Portugal - Spain: already running since 29 August 2017 is a reinstated passenger service on the Entroncamento - Elvas - Badajoz line, consisting of just one train pair per day but happily with reasonable connections at each end. This makes it feasible to travel by daytime trains between Lisbon and Madrid.


Nice try, but...
Austria - Italy: in 2017 it was announced that at least one MICOTRA train pair between Villach and Udine would be extended to/from Trieste; it now appears this will not happen.
Bulgaria - Turkey: despite the completion of most upgrade work on both sides of the border, it appears the single Sofia - Plovdiv - Istanbul train pair - with passport control at 02:00 in the morning on the platform in Kapikule - will remain the only cross-border service on the line. What a waste of millions of Euros of infrastructure funding...
Czech Republic - Poland: passenger trains via the Meziměstí - Mieroszów border crossing will be reinstated after a gap of 14 years. However, trains will only run on weekends and public holidays between 28.4.2018 and 2.9.2018: there will be four train pairs between Mezimesti and Walbrzych, of which two pairs run to/from Adrspach and one train pair to/from Wrocław.
Latvia - Lithuania: the gap between the two countries' passenger networks might be bridged in the form of the extension only at weekends of two pairs of Lithuanian trains between Vilnius and Turmantas to/from Daugavpils, where there are connecting services to/from Riga. Update: This service commenced on 13 January 2018 - see the LG website.
Lithuania - Poland: the new Mockava - Białystok - Warsaw - Kraków TLK train pair was announced as starting in December 2015 but has to date not run at all. When will this much-needed service finally begin...?


Bad news:
Austria - Germany: the Vienna - Dresden - Berlin night train no longer operates, a victim of cost-cutting by the Hungarian state operator MÁV, which formerly operated the train within Germany at its own commercial risk. This means the capitals of Austria and Germany will not be linked by direct trains for probably the first time in around 100 years - unbelievable!
Austria - Netherlands: the daytime Krokus Express ski train between Den Haag and Schladming/Bludenz is cut back to operate just once, coinciding with Dutch school holidays. BTE Autozug has replaced Euro-Express as German partner in the operation of these trains with the Dutch Treinreiswinkel.
Austria - Russia: through sleeping cars between Vienna and St. Petersburg are withdrawn.
Austria - Slovakia: the direct overnight service between Vienna and Košice via Poprad Tatry will be cut back to operate seasonally.
Bosnia - Croatia: there is no indication that the Sarajevo - Zagreb train pair will be reintroduced. Bosnia therefore remains completely cut off from its neighbours by rail. Likewise there has been no progress in restoring passenger services between Mostar and the Croatian coastal town of Ploče.
Bulgaria - Greece: according to TrainOSE, the cross-border Kulata - Strimon section of the Sofia - Thessaloniki line remains closed and substituted by buses "until further notice". This has been going on since 25 May 2017 without an explanation from TrainOSE or BDZ.
Bulgaria - Serbia: just like last year, direct trains between Sofia and Belgrade only run in summer. The reasons for this are as follows: ever fewer passengers owing to low speeds caused by poorly maintained infrastructure, economic pressures on ZS and the lack of diesel locomotives in Serbia with serviceable train heating equipment.
Croatia - Hungary: daytime through carriages between Rijeka and Budapest attached to one of the Zagreb - Budapest train pairs are discontinued.
Czech Republic - Germany: the first train of the day between Prague (departing around 04:00) and Berlin, and the last train of the day between Berlin (19:00) and Prague both cease, a consequence of the decision to withdraw the night train Metropol north of Prague. More good news for the bus operators...
Czech Republic - Russia: through sleeping cars between Prague and St. Petersburg are withdrawn.
Czech Republic - Slovakia: ČD night trains between Cheb, Prague, Košice and Zvolen are drastically cut back.
Czech Republic - Ukraine: through sleeping cars between Prague and Kiev are withdrawn.
Germany - Hungary: the Berlin - Dresden - Budapest night train no longer runs, a victim of cost-cutting by the Hungarian state operator MÁV, which formerly operated the train within Germany at its own commercial risk.
Germany - Italy: Euro-Express has pulled out of the car-carrying overnight train market between Düsseldorf and Italy following disagreements with its Dutch partner Treinreiswinkel. While the Düsseldorf - Verona route has been taken over by BTE Autozug, the Düsseldorf - Livorno route will not operate at all in 2018.
Greece - Macedonia - Serbia: the Greek section of the route Thessaloniki - Gevgelija - Skopje - Belgrade, on which trains replaced by buses in 2017 up until 18 October 2017, is is once again 'bustituted' until further notice. What is going on there...?
Hungary - Romania/Serbia/Slovenia: various long-distance trains have lost their restaurant cars, including the (Vienna-) Budapest-Belgrade Avala, all services between Budapest and Romania (to/from Cluj Napoca and Bucharest) and the Budapest - Ljubljana Citadella.
Norway - Sweden: following improvements in recent years leading to large increases in patronage, the Oslo - Stockholm service is cut back from four or five daily train pairs to three until mid-August 2018, thereafter two with signficant decelerations until 2022, owing to track modernisation work in Norway, probably resulting in modal shift back to road and air.
Slovakia - Ukraine: through sleeping cars between Bratislava, Lviv and Kiev are withdrawn.
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