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Vienna – Pyongyang by train

In september I made a trip to the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea, better known as North Korea.
Not only that North Korea is quite an unusual touristic destination, my route to North Korea was even more unusual – I travelled the whole way from Vienna (Austria) to Pyongyang by train via Slovakia, Ukraine and Russia. And I used a route into North Korea, which is said to be impossible for tourists.
Together with a friend from Switzerland, who joined me in Irkutsk (Russia), we entered North Korea from Russia via the border at Hasan/Tumangan, whereas usually tourists can only use the railway line from the Chinese-Korean border at Dandong/Sinuiju to Pyongyang.

The trip plan was:

2008-09-07: leaving Vienna, changing trains at Bratislava and Kosice. Taking the Russian sleeping car to Moskva via Ukraine..

2008-09-09: changing trains in Moscow (3,5 hour layover). Train 118 to Novosibirsk via Kazan – Sverdlovsk – Omsk.

2008-09-11: arrival at Novosibirsk and short side trip (train 601) to Barnaul.

2008-09-12: short stay at Barnaul, leaving at lunchtime with train 626 to Novosibirsk. 5 hour layover at Novosibirsk in the evening, then by train 12 via Krasnoyarsk – Taishet to Usole-Sibirskoe.

2008-09-14: arriving at Usole-Sibirskoe (68 km from Irkutsk), visiting friends there. In the evening trip by express-eletrichka to Irkutsk. Meeting with my travel-buddy from Switzerland and his girlfriend (they have together made a big trip before, she didn’t come with us to North Korea, but flew home from Irkutsk).

2008-09-15: leaving Irkutsk on board of the Korean sleeping car attached to the “Rossiya” train twice-monthly (ususally on the 11th and 25th from Moscow and 4 days later from Irkutsk).

2008-09-18: layover at Ussurijsk (the Korean sleeping car is uncoupled from the “Rossiya” in the morning and leaves only in the afternoon with another train to Hasan (Russian border station), where it arrives late night.

2008-09-19: crossing the border between Russia and the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea. Departure from Tumangan in the evening.

2008-09-20: arrival in Pyongyang late evening.

2008-09-21: sightseeing in/around Pyongyang

2008-09-22: sightseeing in/around Pyongyang

2008-09-23: sightseeing in/around Pyongyang

2008-09-24: sightseeing in/around Pyongyang

2008-09-25: leaving Pyongyang with the international train to Beijing. Border crossing at Sinuiju/Dandong.

2008-09-26: arrival at Beijing in the morning. Sightseeing in/around Beijing

2008-09-27: Sightseeing in/around Beijing

2008-09-28: Sightseeing in/around Beijing

2008-09-29: Flying home to Vienna/Zurich via Dusseldorf.




2008-09-07

The trip started at about 10:45 at the urban station Wien-Traisengasse(3 minutes walk from my flat), from where I took a “S-Bahn” to the Südbahnhof (Southern station). This first trip took only about 10-15 minutes.

Wien Traisengasse:


At 11:28 the local train to Bratislava departed from the Südbahnhof. It also conveyed a direct Ukrainian sleeping car from Wien to Kyiv, but as I was going further to Moscow, the Russian sleeping car Kosice – Moscow was more suitable for me.

Wien Südbahnhof:





The trip to Bratislava took about 70 minutes. I met an old man travelling to Chop. He was told that this train goes direct to Chop, but appearently he was not told that only the sleeping car goes there. The conductor – not knowing where Chop is located – thought that he was in the wrong train, but I explained them that everything is OK and that just several changes of trains (in Bratislava, Kosice and Cierna nad Tisou) are necessary to reach Chop.

In Bratislava I had a 70-minutes layover. It is also possible to take a later train from Vienna to shorten the waiting time at Bratislava, but as I wanted to buy some cheap Slovakian train tickets for my friend in Moscow (tickets for domestic trips inside Russia can often be cheaper in Slovakia than in Russia…) such a layover was OK.
The old man wanted to upgrade to the sleeping car, but the Ukrainian conductors told him, that there were no free places.
As he was not seeing well and was a little bit confused, I helped him (when chanhig trains) on the further trip to reach Chop. He was glad about that and later he said that withouth my help he wouldn’t have reached Chop.

From Bratislava my onward express train no. 609 to Kosice departed at 13:47. Train 609 consisted of about 10 Slovakian cars and the Ukrainian sleeping car. Some of the cars were already modernized with air-condition, but in my compartment-car the air-condition didn’t work so I (and the old man from Vienna) moved to a open-cabin-car with. BTW, the 83-year-old man told me, that he was born in Western Ukraine and had moved to Austria already 35 years ago. This was his first trip back to his homeland.

En-route to Kosice:





 

In Kosice the train arrived 5 minutesd delayed at 19:55. The connecting local train to Cierna nad Tisou departed at 20:07. We changed to that train, to which also the Ukrainian sleeping car was attached. I boarded the Russian sleeping car to Moskva and also the old man bought an inofficial upgrade for this sleeping car to avoid a further change of trains at Cierna nad Tisou.

At Kosice:




I had booked a place in a “Double”-compartment, as the 3-bed-configuration on Russian international sleeping cars is too narrow for longer trips like this. “Double” requires a 1st class ticket for the Ukrainian and Russian part, but instead of one 1st class ticket, I had – for some reason – a 2nd class Citystarticket for 2 persons, which after some explanation was also accpeted by the conductor. The other place in my compartment was not booked and I stayed the whole time alone till Moscow.





The sleeping car was a modernized RIC-WLABm of RZD. It was air-conditioned and there was a small refrigerator in each compartment (below the seat). Some windows on the corridor-side could be opened to take photos.

Inside the compartment:

(Photo taken on another trip in a car of the same type)


Arrival at Cierna was at 21:56 and there the 2 sleeping cars are attached to another local train, which goes just over the border to Chop.

Shunting at Cierna nad Tisou:


The Slovakian border checks took place at a new checkpint almost at the border (built with EU money), whereas the Ukranian border checks took place during the stop at the station Chop. Formalities at this boder are fast, easy and not worth mentioning compared to what we experienced on other border crossings during this trip. I sayed goodbye to the old man, who left the train here.

Slovakian border checkpoint:




(anyone knowing what the detectors on the 2nd photo are searching?)

At Chop also the boogie exchanging procedure is done. It is done for the 2 sleeping cars coming from Slovakia as well as for some other sleeping cars of the “Tisza-Express” coming from Budapest. After that procedure all the sleeping cars from Wien, Kosice, Budapest, Beograd, Zagreb are rearranged and attached to a “domestic” train from Uzhgorod to Moskva. Departure from Chop was at 3:32 (East European time, one hour ahead of Central European time).

Regauging at Chop:






Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVlPDbRBuv0
(due to darkness not much can be seen, but the typical sounds during the regauging procedure might be interesting...)


2008-09-08

Train trip across Ukraine via Lviv – Ternopil – Hmelnizki – Vinniza – Kyiv. I already used this line several times (the last time was only 3 weeks ago), so it was already a little bit boring – the same procedure as every time…
BTW, train 15/16 (“Tisza”) uses the Shmerinka avoiding curve. In Lviv and Kyiv sleeping cars were detached.

At Lviv:



















15 minutes stop at Grechani:



At Hmelnizkij:



Near Shmerinka:




Arriving at Kyiv:



In the evening the Ukrainian border checks took place at Konotop, still more than 100 km from the actual border to Russia.

2008-09-09

From Konotop the train ran non-stop to Brjansk, already more than 100 km inside Russia, where finally the Russian border checks take place at the uncivilizised time of 4 a.m. (Moscow time, one hour ahead of East European time). Apart from the horrible time, the border checks also here were no problem and I got my Russian multiple-visa stamped without any questions.
After some more sleep I finally arrived at Moscow at about 10 a.m. at the Kievskaya station. My friend Alexander was waiting for me and we drove to his flat to have some breakfast together.

Arriving at Moskva Kievskaya:










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А на каком языке лучше комменты писать?  :o

Well, let it be.  :)

I was so surprised with your route because it is too exotic even for me. ;) Video and photos are both interesting and informativel. BTW, I saw the process of guage changing at first time. Thank you very much for such interesting story and illustrations! So, I'm looking forward to the continuance!

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(anyone knowing what the detectors on the 2nd photo are searching?)

I suppose that the detectors are used for the process of international cargo carriages crossing control. They scan the carriage and chech documents following the idea "what is on the paper that has to be inside the carriage". But it's only my guess.
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А на каком языке лучше комменты писать?  :o

Можно на русском, можно на англиском или немецком... ;-)

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Well, let it be.  :)

I was so surprised with your route because it is too exotic even for me. ;) Video and photos are both interesting and informativel. BTW, I saw the process of guage changing at first time.


смотрите в
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTlnVzxoiTc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr9EpczeiLo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7pMXcEmEqU

Там еще лучше видно, как меняют тележки. Это был в Бресте.

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Thank you very much for such interesting story and illustrations!

Спасибо!


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 меня вопрос по билетам,судя по фоткам вы брали ситистар?но раньше было так,что билет действовал только через 3 дня после покупки,сейчас он работает сразу?
как удалось убедить проводника ,что 2 билета 2-го класса равны 1 билету первого класса,какие доводы и на чем основаны?
резервацию в вагон из кощиц в вене дали без проблем,заказывали через инет или брали в кассе?
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раньше было так,что билет действовал только через 3 дня после покупки,сейчас он работает сразу?
Там же как бы видно, что билет куплен заранее - 17.08.08
Да и без билета плацкарту (купленную 5.09) то и не продадут по правилам... а в день отправления тот один вагон Словакия-Россия может и забит быть

резервацию в вагон из кощиц в вене дали без проблем,заказывали через инет или брали в кассе?
А разве можно плацкарту в совершенно чужой для OBB вагон заказать по инету? Бланк точно из кассы ;)
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А разве можно плацкарту в совершенно чужой для OBB вагон заказать по инету? Бланк точно из кассы ;)

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можно,а как по вашему тогда ОББ продает билеты в вагон будапешт-киев?сейчас можно заказать билеты через инет,заплатить кредиткой,потом приходишь на вокзал,в автомате набираешь свой код и он печатает тебе билет на таком же бланке как в кассе.
П.С и все таки хотлесь бы услышать ответы от автора
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раньше было так,что билет действовал только через 3 дня после покупки,сейчас он работает сразу?
Там же как бы видно, что билет куплен заранее - 17.08.08
Да и без билета плацкарту (купленную 5.09) то и не продадут по правилам...

В Австрий продают билети без плацкарти, я не показал билет при покупке плацкарты.

У нас проводники должни проверить, ест ли всё в порядке с билетами и плацкартами. У нашых кассиров нет ответственности для этого...


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А разве можно плацкарту в совершенно чужой для OBB вагон заказать по инету? Бланк точно из кассы ;)

Международные билеты и плацкарты в тут сторону пока невозможно купить в инете. Может быть когда-то в будуще...


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и все таки,как вы доказали что 2 билета ситстар 2-го класса идут за один,но первого.билеты и плацкарты можно заказать написав письмо на "Ticketline Wien" <Wien.Ticketline@pv.oebb.at>,и потом через них оплатить кредиткой.,а билеты получаем в автомате на вокзале.
и кстати ситстар работает таки через 3 дня?вы просто купили его заранее?
P.S также купить или заказать билет можно по телефону,который на сайте ОББ
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меня вопрос по билетам,судя по фоткам вы брали ситистар?но раньше было так,что билет действовал только через 3 дня после покупки,сейчас он работает сразу?

такое правило есть в Венгрий. А словацкий Ситистар действует сразу.

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как удалось убедить проводника ,что 2 билета 2-го класса равны 1 билету первого класса,какие доводы и на чем основаны?

Я просто сказал что вместо 1 билета 1ого класса у меня 2 билета 2ого класса и что 2 билета 2ого кдасса даже дороже чем 1 билет 1ого класса. И всё в порядке.
Основание для этого проводники не хотели знать.


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резервацию в вагон из кощиц в вене дали без проблем,

да, конечно.

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заказывали через инет или брали в кассе?

В кассе.


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