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Jyraff
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« Reply #500 on: 02.06.18 , 15:06 »
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Писали про планований термін окупності проекту у 8-10 років. Так що УЗ розраховує не тільки солярку/техобслуговування відбити.
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« Reply #501 on: 02.06.18 , 16:06 »
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Сомневаюсь, что там будет много прибыли. Солярку и техобслуживание Пес разве что окупят.
Если рассматривать проект как имиджевый, то это нормально.
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« Reply #502 on: 02.06.18 , 21:06 »
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любой общественный транспорт, хоть городской троллейбус, хоть скоростной поезд, приносит косвенную выгоду государству от его существования, поэтому вполне логично, что прямой прибыли ожидать от него не стоит. И это скорее не имидж, а просто инфраструктура.
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« Reply #503 on: 04.06.18 , 16:06 »
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Я тут випадково натрапив на фото з аеропорту Любліна: https://www.google.com.ua/maps/place/Lublin+Airport/@51.2347,22.7156,3a,76.5y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipNXxMZR8lKturRmjAwZP7dRegnMcJ646KYxrnjd!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipNXxMZR8lKturRmjAwZP7dRegnMcJ646KYxrnjd%3Dw203-h134-k-no!7i1024!8i680!4m5!3m4!1s0x47225470d5dd0591:0xdf3a6b858c03591d!8m2!3d51.2347!4d22.7156

Залізниця електрифікованя, пас потік в 25 разів менший борисполя, аеропорт ближче в 2 рази. Ну і очевидно, усі були проти побудови того відгалуження від Свидника довжиною 3 км.
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« Reply #504 on: 04.06.18 , 16:06 »
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там 3 потяги на день - можливо були й проти.

А чому б не додати ось ще це посилання?
https://www.airport.lublin.pl/en/dla-podroznych/dojazd/
Там добре видно, що крім потяга по електрифікованій залізниці ще є кілька автобусних сервісів. На мою думку - мати більше різних розвинених автобусних сервісів набагато важливіше, ніж іміджева залізниця.
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« Reply #505 on: 04.06.18 , 17:06 »
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Там добре видно, що крім потяга по електрифікованій залізниці ще є кілька автобусних сервісів.
Най будуть автобуси. І най буде конкуренція з правом вибору виду транспорту, а не виключно автобуси з корками.
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« Reply #506 on: 04.06.18 , 22:06 »
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любой общественный транспорт, хоть городской троллейбус, хоть скоростной поезд, приносит косвенную выгоду государству от его существования, поэтому вполне логично, что прямой прибыли ожидать от него не стоит. И это скорее не имидж, а просто инфраструктура.
That is so true. But nobody understands it in Ukraine. Not even in this forum. That lack of understanding of the cost benefit gains of better trains for society has been one of my greatest frustrations over the last ten years. On this forum in particular. The narrow mindedness of people is shocking and scaring.
And it is true for this whole dead-end Boryspil rail-bus project. It is a joke.
Even Stakcin with its 2.500 strong population at the end of the tracks in eastern Slovakia will be better served by rail than the main airport of Europe's 7th largest city, of the size of Madrid and Berlin.
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« Reply #507 on: 04.06.18 , 23:06 »
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Even Stakcin with its 2.500 strong population at the end of the tracks in eastern Slovakia will be better served by rail than the main airport of Europe's 7th largest city, of the size of Madrid and Berlin.
Even worse, I'm not sure by which criterion Kyiv appears as low as at the 7th place. Speaking about population within city limits, 2,934,401 people seems quite a conservative estimation, especially w.r.t. refugees and other kinds of temporarily displaced persons. I would reckon daily population of 3,500,000 or maybe even 4,250,000 closer to reality.
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« Reply #508 on: 05.06.18 , 11:06 »
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любой общественный транспорт, хоть городской троллейбус, хоть скоростной поезд, приносит косвенную выгоду государству от его существования, поэтому вполне логично, что прямой прибыли ожидать от него не стоит. И это скорее не имидж, а просто инфраструктура.
That lack of understanding of the cost benefit gains of better trains for society has been one of my greatest frustrations over the last ten years.
You are quite right about better train. But do you really think that proposed train will be better?
In my opinion better train to Borispol are trains connected Borispol Airport and Kyiv Volynsky (for example), both north and south routes involved, frequency not less than 45 min.
Also this train just duplicates current bus connection. As a result we will have two underdeveloped airport connections instead of one. So it hardly can be called "infrastructure project". In fact it is just "before election publicity".
Emblaze pointed out that city is huge. It means only one route is not enough. Why not to have several options, including public transport bus along with express buses to different parts of the city?
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« Reply #509 on: 05.06.18 , 13:06 »
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You are right, it is not even "just" a dead end, it is a duplicate dead end, this project! :)

do you really think that the proposed train will be better?
It might improve the situation a bit for some people. Or at winter time. Or in rush hour. But that is not the point.
The project is a fart. As I said it is on the level of how you service a for-Carpathian village in eastern Slovakia.
If we are lucky, the train will depart in 45 minute intervals, and call at Vydubychi 30 minutes after departure from о.п. А.Б.
Which means that it can easily take an hour for a travelers to reach town, 30 minutes of waiting and 30 minutes of driving. Plus five minutes of walk with heavy suitcases at Vydubychi. Plus another 30 minutes metro/bus/marshrutka/taxi+walking. 1,5 hour in total. That is no improvement, that is regress.

An airport link has to be fast, clean and convenient in all aspects. The anti-thesis of the current project.

As I have written earlier the airport link to Boryspil should resemble that of Arlanda's (the airport of Stockholm)
- Form a loop - connecting to the mainline at Boryspil, allowing for trains from eastern Ukraine to call right at the airport;
- be electrified, you don't add to Kyiv's air pollution with frequent railbuses, it is a no-go;
- be served by trains with low floors for easy access with luggage, could even be 4 wagon Tarpan's if they can get some of the tracking equipment moved to under the floor and even have low floor sections;
- has its own double railway line (four lining Boryspil - Darnitsa) with a 200 km/h base standard out of town and 100 km/h through the city (upgrading Darnitsa - Kyiv main to 100 km/h = 9 minutes vs. the current IC+ "speed" of 14-17 minutes for the 14 km).

It was a small revolution when we got the raillink through Kastrup airport in Copenhagen. 12 minutes from downtown. It was much, much faster than the previous SAS run airport buses. And cheaper for the users.
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